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hey ^^
I know you love your country mirage but china wants to be "UNITED" by forcing others to stay united... peace cant exist under such pressure... It's not all about Tibet... China does a lot of cruel things since years... What about Chinese farmers ? Their land gets stolen by the government... if they dont want to leave their own land the government will beat them up or even kill them... Do you know China is the country with the highest execution rate ? People get killed because of stealing food... why do they steal food ? Because they're hungry... if they wouldn't steal food... they would starve and die anyway...
I'm not saying that China is the only country who does these cruel things... Africa does... Iran does... and I'm sure other countries do it as well...
You think the White/Western medias all lie... ever thought medias lie ? Of course our media lies ... every media does... but dont you think there is a little truth about what (f.e.) CNN says ?
Be more open minded,
dont shut your mind for thoughts only...

Tulip, i don't think that it is a New cold war. Not at all, i'm also communist, but i think that china is not a real communist country. Putting people in prison because they tell some bad things about your governement is not a good way.. That is what I think. Everybody can say what he wants.

And a country where there is the death penality is not a real democratic country (The us are not too, for me, if they use the death penality)

French-touch,
    I accept some of your words due to some reasonable component!
    Well,I am also think China is not a democratic country currently,but the country is now changing his politics and policies.We have improved so much as I think.
    And,about the Tibet,I insist that the Dailai lama is a separatism guy and have a vilence group~!This is intolerable~!

French touch ? Tu es communiste ????
You are scaring me...don't you think that communism is beautiful idea but a desaster in reality because it's inhuman ?
Have you forgotten the URSS ? Cuba ? North Korea ? Cambodge ? All the millions of dead because of its inhuman ideology !


I can't believe it comes from a french citizen who lives in in democraty.

But i make a difference between Chinese nation and governement. I have full respect for nation like everybody should have.
Hating people is a thing, we'd better help them by showing the way of Democraty to improve their politic system.
But i understand people who don't want to be "taught" in democraty by foreigners. That's why we have to be respectfull with nation.
So Viva China but viva Free China, and i hope Chinese people will soon get the politic system and governement they really deserve.

I understand what French-touch means when he says he is communist : this is an ideal : every poeple equal with the same money and the same possessions. But now we know that this political regime leads dictatorships like in URSS or Cuba cause according to me we can' t force poeple to share everything whithout using violence.
I would like to answer to Mirage and tulip :
Firstly, mirage, Have you ever seen me like this that i love france? That's you're right but you don't have to be agressive !
I understand that you love your country but i agree with Markus : be more mind open! Every country have some defects : France does, England does and China does too.
Then, Tulip, the only thing i reproach to your government is that, in my opinion, they want to force tibet to be a part of China... The fact of wanting  to unify the country at any cost leads too many violence...
One thing more : Why does Chinese government sterilize Tibetan women ?
Like Robespierre, i hope that Chinese poeple will have soon the government they deserve....

Viimeksi muokattu Vandien (2008-05-28 06:17:01)

I'm an utopist, for sure. But i think we could mix different systems, take the best parts of every one. Well, liberalism is a good way about liberty. But a bad way in economy, when everybody has not the same chances to win. When you born in a rich family, you have more chance to become rich than if you born in a poor family. that is a fact. Liberalis could be interessant if everybody had the same chances. I believe that if we change everybody's mind, everybody could work hard for the comunity. And everybody would be payed for his work..

We would not have to use violence, if everybody thought like us, if rich people had no problem to give a bit of there money to poor people from the world. Yes, for me, it can work just if a big part of the world change too. And if we vote for one of this political party, it won't need anyviolence.

Today, communist party are different than the old one from USSR and so... Because they saw what happened, and they are all for dimocratie. We just have to find someone who would not love power and money. Then he could give the power to the population. That's it the communism. the power to the whole population

oh i forgot : Robespierre, French revolution is not a reference to take... too many deads and poeple without head any more to me =(

markus kirjoitti:

hey ^^
I know you love your country mirage but china wants to be "UNITED" by forcing others to stay united... peace cant exist under such pressure... It's not all about Tibet... China does a lot of cruel things since years... What about Chinese farmers ? Their land gets stolen by the chinese government... if they dont want to leave their own land the government will beat them up or even kill them... Do you know China is the country with the highest execution rate ? People get killed because of stealing food... why do they steal food ? Because they're hungry... if they wouldn't steal food... they would starve and die anyway...
I'm not saying that China is the only country who does these cruel things... Africa does... Iran does... and I'm sure other countries do it as well...
You think the White/Western medias all lie... ever thought chinese medias lie ? Of course our media lies ... every media does... but dont you think there is a little truth about what (f.e.) CNN says ?
Be more open minded,
dont shut your mind for chinese thoughts only...

u don't even know about us.......

French-touch kirjoitti:

I agry with you. But they do not. The majority of Chineese people feel good with there governement. So, we should not tell them that there is something better.

Well, for me, URSS, Cuba, North korea and cambodge can't be called communist. They are some dictatures. My definition of "communism" take place in a democratie. Communism is the power given to the whole population, not to some military chiefs, or to some people that have never seen some poor people...
For me, it is just unfair to see that 40 headmaster of the "cac 40" firms (the best 40 french firms) earned 160 Millions s in one year, when a lot of people are dying in coldness, or when some girls have to sell there body to pay there study. I guess you understand what i mean.
I'm thinking that we could share all this money. It's not fair

"What is a Communard? One that has yearnings

For equal division of unequal earnings,

Idler, or bungler, or both, he is willing

To fork out his penny and pocket your shilling." quote from 'The Grand Promenade', author unknown

  All totally free economies are generally predicted to go towards an M shaped society with a very large portion of the population poor and a small percentile exceedingly rich. This is a problem that free economies face. While communism seems like a pretty option, the means and goal behind communism is still equal dispension of wealth. People don't like to work under such conditions, because they'll be fed anyway, so why not let others do the hard work while we just 'pretend' to work and earn our equal stipends? Society would not improve through this system. It is a flawed philosophy. A better option would be a free market government that also stresses socialism. Communism is only one form of socialism, and a rather extreme, simplistic one at that. Perhaps, French-touch, you could change your support for more socialism rather than straight out communism. I believe that countries like Finland are doing quite well under such systems (though their sharing culture also has something to do with it as well).
  Democratic communism is an interesting option. When free economy has come to full bloom, most of the population will be poor, so there will be a large support for democratic communism. However, if the whole population is still educated at least to high school standards, it would still choose socialist inclined democracies rather than communism. Because all in all, the driving force behind our thriving civil society is the free market. So one might say that it is in the rich people's interests to keep a certain standard of living for the whole population - education and food. Because without education and sustainence, people will revert to radical socialism and start violently attacking the rich.
  However, we are sidetracking. China is no longer under communist ideals. Rather, it has taken out all the ideals of communism (equal dispension) and replaced it with all the flaws, and wealth of free economy. This makes a great many Chinese people happy, as their wealth is growing in proportions which were unknown to them twenty years ago. These are the ones who are singing their country's praises on international forums. However, this still excludes the people who are kicked down the ladder of free economy - the poor onion farmers whose lands are sequestered, the AIDS villages which are hushed up, the rural areas where educational resources are still scarce. These people do not have a voice in the international forum because they either don't have good english resources, or their advocates (lawyers, the media) are silenced.
  While taking out all the good of communism, China retains all the bad of communism. Mainly, being an authoritarian country where the opinions of the minority are silenced. No Chinese journalist has joined the International Federation of Journalists (www.ifj.org), because there is no media freedom there. All NPOs in China are regulated by the government, so there are technically no NGOs in China.

Just a question, French Touch, Wouldn't you like to be richer than now?
I would, and I think everyone would... So, when you say that : "Because you don't work to become richer, but to help the community", to get this result, everything have to change: mentalities, economical system, technologies (everyone wants his I-Pod...).
Well i don't manage to say clearly what i want to say ( it's too late for me) but I can say it like that:
Humans suck so that's impossible

French-touch kirjoitti:

I think you can be rich without exploit anybody. I would like to be richer, but not as much. For me, nobody should win more than between 5 000 and 10 000 Euros a month. Or it would become Unfair. And I think that it is possible, to buy without exploit. And we have to help this way.

I agree when you say that we have to change the mentalities, it's not a real problem. I think it will change one day, with seeing poverty growing up.

Yeah, I think we should call this Socialism, rather than Communism. But, it's just a term...much depends on the definition.
But, French-Touch, are you sure that you want to set a max. limit of earnings? That's kinda restricting, don't you think? I think that a lot depends on mentality...and, it has to come from within.
Vandien, I do think that there are people, who don't want to be rich..., people want to have more things, but it needn't be more than necessary (at the basic and/or comfort level). Have what you want, not more than you want, like hoarding. (Saving is different.)   
Moniquechang, (I'm just ignorant...I want to know your opinions...sorry if they seem rude. I just can't seem to get them right now.) when the Free economy has "come to a full bloom", will a majority be poor? Is that 'economic development'? 
Ok..now, I have this question for everyone, where does this "Socialism/Democratic Communism/Modern Communism/whatever you want to call it" fits in with Globalisation, Privatisation and Liberalisation?
And, I have another question: Do I have to put this question in another new topic cos it moves away (?) from this topic?