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mijin kirjoitti:

hi- kki
In fact, I don't blieve any gods.~_~ It is convenience, I think. Do you believe?

well i dont know anything so i cant tell if there is any god or not

Yes I do believe in God coz there is must be a personality who created the whole universe and have been controlling it.

I don't believe in God, because he doesn't exist. Okey, I can't say that I'm sure he doesn't exist but in my opininion, there's no God.
I dislike christianity, hinduism, islam, judaism or any other religion. I'm an atheist.
Unfortunately I'm borned as an christian. But I'm not forced to live like a christian, or believe in God. I'm an secularized christian atheist in other words

For me: religion = war
And I think religion is a weird way to categorize people.

But, if I have to chose a religion, I must chose buddhism. That's a fantastic religion with great thoughts and opinions, and the best, there's no God. Only prophets and that's fine for me.

My english really sucks, and I have hard to express myself in english. So I'm sorry for a weird contribution.

Viimeksi muokattu emilia (2008-05-21 09:42:33)

Yes I believe
though its less religion and more relationship for me. Religion is mostly men trying to put their relstionship in categories and such. I mean, Jesus suffered the most brutal death just for each and every one of you when NONE OF US deserves to even have a glimpse of heaven! I am raised Baptist tho and im glad cuz they are very close to the Bible and thats what i believe.
now why do some of you want to think that you, your whole life is an accident with no purpose whatsoever?
Only a divine power could make a place this incredibly accurate for us to live in. do you really think a "big bang" would get it right? and if you believe that, then who made the universe?

ps im not saying this to anyone in particular, just to everyone to whom it applies

I think I believe in God, not in religions. I don't see it as a being but as my spiritual side. It is good believing in something, admiring greatness of universe. God for me is a feeling what reminds me the world is huge and I'm just as a little point on it but I'm there anyway and can do anything. Because God doesn't do anything for you if you don't want to, doesn't exist if you don't want to...Well, it's hard to express exactly the idea.

I do not believe in god. I don't need it to hope. I believe in Man

I don't believe in God. I think that if we come to trust ourselves enough, we don't have to rely on external forces like God. If I can give myself the confidence and hope I need, then there's no God for me.
In a way, I can say that Nature is God for me, but, I don't mean that it created us or controls us. Because, essentially, we ARE nature...I mean, we belong to nature.  
I'm not against religions. It's sort of like the 'Technology Debate'-is it good or bad? It all depends on how you use it or see it. All religions have good things...take the good and leave the bad.

Vandien kirjoitti:

why does god want women to be lower than men ? Why doesn't he want mens to use condoms? Why does he want to kills others men of others religions? All of this is human and not divine!

All of that is the opposite of God

I believe i'm in love with God

I believe he's in love with us

I believe in the futility of any of Man's action towards his transcendence. in other words i believe humans suck.

Well, I don't really like going to the church if you know what I mean.
I believe there is a God, but not Jesus.

Anyway, I hate when people say that just because I don't believe him I am a bad person and I like that "other guy". It's so !
It doesn't matter our religion, but our actions: we have to try to be better people everyday ^^

Vandien kirjoitti:

I agree that humans suck and that's what i wanted to show when i wrote that.
Religions are human, not divine.
If there's a god like you describe Him, do you think there's any religion which is right?

Well, maybe the question would be why such a religion would be right.

God loves us, but we are unable to truly love someone

He is righteous, but we are unable to be completely fair

He is good, and we are unable to fully stop being evil

See its just like dating someone. He is truly in love with us and wants to date us, but to us because of our very nature, He is invisible, like someone else in the hallway at school. But he seeks us you know? He is really crazy in love. Like when all of the sudden we wonder about God, or when we listen to Bach, or when you have a garden and feel so happy when it rains and so happy when its sunny, both opposites but its good for your plants. But even if we tried to hace a relationship, we're not good enough. We don't even get it, like the whole idea of this world.

So the "right" religion would be the one that'd let us have that relationship, with a God that is willing to forget all our actions and our imperfections, but this can only happen if we actually feel like loving someone so much you don't wanna hurt that Person, even if its impossible but we'd do anything to stop it.
There needs to be a special trick though, for we selfish beings to embrace that God. In addition, this religion would still make you take a decision, and face the outcome like in real life.

You know what i mean?

Well thats exactly what Chirtianity is about, Jesus' sacrifice being the ·trick·



This is simply what I believe.

Viimeksi muokattu grama.Lunar (2008-06-13 03:54:41)

Vandien kirjoitti:

I respect what you believe in. But that's not my opinion. So, convince me, answering to my questions :
1 => Why do you think that "somebody" created the world ? According to me, it needs no one to create itself.
2=> Why does the pope doesn't want men to use condums? It could save many poeple, you know?
3 =>I think that what you call god is only moments of happyness we feel in all days life... Does god create hapiness hormones? (sorry for this question)
4 => If there's a god, why doesn' he help more poeple on earth?
( i have another questions that i'll ask you later, if you want)

Does that mean you'll believe me if i answer? I'd be more than glad to answer then, but don't believe me, believe God. Why don't you ask Him some other time?

So to your questions. First i would like to ask you, are you willing to believe you may be wrong? or perhaps just confused? anyways...

1= well, why wouldn't the world need someone to create it? i mean matter simply does not pop out of nowhere does it? The existence of Life makes no sense at all, i mean why would life happen? and all of this world is so beautifully and finely created. Can you explain feelings? Can you explain the perfection in mathematics? the delicate and perfect values of the fundamental particles and more amazingly the fundamental energies? The universe as we know it wouldn't exists if protons had just .02 times more of the strong nuclear force they possess. i don't expect you to understand that. I don't even want to prove to you someone created the world. i just want you to think, how illogical is it that all of the world popped out of nowhere?

2= well i dont know about the pope but i'm pretty sure what he really is not into is people having sex before they marry. not exactly the condom thing. just no sex before marriage. sex was meant to be a special and private ritual, secret, enjoyment or whatever between to persons really in love forever.

3= see, happiness hormones exactly do not exist. or it depends on your definition of happiness. But sure God created hormones. He surely created happiness. I mean he created you. He is a cool God.

4=Because people don't usually ask for it. They rather hate God, for some reason. And other people want God to be good to them, but they still wanna do bad stuff. God gave people the ability to choose their actions. if not he would've made us like slaves. He is a nice God. But we chose to do evil and to ignore him. But if we chose him, he really helps. He helped me, and many people i know in amazing ways. He can help you. He can help anyone. Thats why you see missionaries everywhere. we are giving people the ultimate cure and he ultimate love.

that was a long post sorry...

Viimeksi muokattu grama.Lunar (2008-06-15 03:27:00)

---French-touch, that's exactly what I think--

"1= well, why wouldn't the world need someone to create it? i mean matter simply does not pop out of nowhere does it?"
===> Why not ? So, stupid question again, if universe was made by someone, who made this "someone"?
"2= well i dont know about the pope but i'm pretty sure what he really is not into is people having sex before they marry. not exactly the condom thing. just no sex before marriage. sex was meant to be a special and private ritual, secret, enjoyment or whatever between to persons really in love forever."
===>Well, tell me what's bad with having sex before to get married...
"3= happiness hormones exactly do not exist".
===>Sorry, it does.
Well i'm not a believer, and i'll never be a believer. Honestly, my first aim when i posted a message on this forum was to show to everybody that God do not exist, but that was stupid. I have to respect what you think and what you believe in, and i'll stop to try to show it to you.
To finish, here's my definition of god : poeple always needeed to believe in something, to give meaning to their existence or to their death, and to explain things they couldn't understand. Politics and leaders used this fact to lead more poeple, to control them, to give them rules and limits, and hope.(To me Jesus didn't believe he was the son of a god, he just tried to make the world better, and that's why i respect him a lot). That was a good thing but today we don't need it any more. And poeple like the pope use old rules to lead a world that don't need them any more.

Viimeksi muokattu Vandien (2008-06-15 15:29:25)